I'm looking to get my Commercial certificate once I finish my
Instrument rating and am trying to meet as much as the requirements as
possible. I noticed it says in 61.129:

....
(3) 20 hours of training...includes at least---
....
(iii) One cross country flight of at least 2 hours, VFR, 100nm...
(iv) Same thing but night

Now for my private training, the requirement was 100nm for the
dual/training flight (and a 150nm solo flight).

Since we were flying a slow plane, and it took 2 hours, would this dual
cross country fulfill the commercial requirement?

Also, for the 10 hours of dual complex time, can I do this anytime?
(I'd like to use a 150 that I have access to cheaply for most my
commercial training, then do a few hours of complex just before the
checkride to be ready).

On 2006-12-28, kevmor > wrote:
> I'm looking to get my Commercial certificate once I finish my
> Instrument rating and am trying to meet as much as the requirements as
> possible. I noticed it says in 61.129:

You need to go back to the (a) which contains your quoted (3) that
says "...as a pilot..."

> Now for my private training,

....at which point you were not a pilot. That's been the conclusion
in the NG repeatedly.

> Also, for the 10 hours of dual complex time, can I do this anytime?
> (I'd like to use a 150 that I have access to cheaply for most my
> commercial training, then do a few hours of complex just before the
> checkride to be ready).

Yes. Some people even split the ride into two flights in different
airplanes.

--
Ben Jackson AD7GD
>
http://www.ben.com/

I believe the 100nm XCountry for the Private Pilot, is a dual *night*
flight. Also, the 100nm is total distance (50 out & 50 back). I didn't see
a distance requirement for Private Dual day XCountry.
The Commercial XCountries are:
Dual day VFR 100nm straight line (100 out, 100 back).
Dual night VFR 100nm straight line (100 out, 100 back).
Solo (no one else in the plane) 300 total distance, 3 landing points, one of
which must be 250nm from the starting point.

Even if you flew far enough on the Private solo XCountry, it looks like the
Commercial solo XCountry requires another trip:
61.129 (a)(4) 10 hours of solo flight in single engine airplane *on the
areas of operation listed in 61.127(b)(1) which includes at least -
(i) Big long XCountry
(ii) 5 hrs night VFR , 10 landings, blah blah....

Anyone correct me if I'm wrong. I'm working on my CFI, & I need to get a
handle on all these regs... :-)


"kevmor" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> I'm looking to get my Commercial certificate once I finish my
> Instrument rating and am trying to meet as much as the requirements as
> possible. I noticed it says in 61.129:
>
> ...
> (3) 20 hours of training...includes at least---
> ...
> (iii) One cross country flight of at least 2 hours, VFR, 100nm...
> (iv) Same thing but night
>
> Now for my private training, the requirement was 100nm for the
> dual/training flight (and a 150nm solo flight).
>
> Since we were flying a slow plane, and it took 2 hours, would this dual
> cross country fulfill the commercial requirement?
>
> Also, for the 10 hours of dual complex time, can I do this anytime?
> (I'd like to use a 150 that I have access to cheaply for most my
> commercial training, then do a few hours of complex just before the
> checkride to be ready).
>

Ok, but then shouldn't my IFR 250nm day cross country take care of the
day dual cross country for the commercial? Maybe I should do the night
cross country in a complex aircraft to get both at once.

On Dec 28, 5:23 pm, "Steven Barnes" > wrote:
> I believe the 100nm XCountry for the Private Pilot, is a dual *night*
> flight. Also, the 100nm is total distance (50 out & 50 back). I didn't see
> a distance requirement for Private Dual day XCountry.
> The Commercial XCountries are:
> Dual day VFR 100nm straight line (100 out, 100 back).
> Dual night VFR 100nm straight line (100 out, 100 back).
> Solo (no one else in the plane) 300 total distance, 3 landing points, one of
> which must be 250nm from the starting point.
>
> Even if you flew far enough on the Private solo XCountry, it looks like the
> Commercial solo XCountry requires another trip:
> 61.129 (a)(4) 10 hours of solo flight in single engine airplane *on the
> areas of operation listed in 61.127(b)(1) which includes at least -
> (i) Big long XCountry
> (ii) 5 hrs night VFR , 10 landings, blah blah....
>
> Anyone correct me if I'm wrong. I'm working on my CFI, & I need to get a
> handle on all these regs... :-)
>
> "kevmor" > wrote in oglegroups.com...
>
> > I'm looking to get my Commercial certificate once I finish my
> > Instrument rating and am trying to meet as much as the requirements as
> > possible. I noticed it says in 61.129:
>
> > ...
> > (3) 20 hours of training...includes at least---
> > ...
> > (iii) One cross country flight of at least 2 hours, VFR, 100nm...
> > (iv) Same thing but night
>
> > Now for my private training, the requirement was 100nm for the
> > dual/training flight (and a 150nm solo flight).
>
> > Since we were flying a slow plane, and it took 2 hours, would this dual
> > cross country fulfill the commercial requirement?
>
> > Also, for the 10 hours of dual complex time, can I do this anytime?
> > (I'd like to use a 150 that I have access to cheaply for most my
> > commercial training, then do a few hours of complex just before the
> > checkride to be ready).

> -----Original Message-----
> From: kevmor ]
> Posted At: Thursday, December 28, 2006 8:05 PM
> Posted To: rec.aviation.ifr
> Conversation: Cross countries (Commercial requirements)
> Subject: Re: Cross countries (Commercial requirements)
>
> Ok, but then shouldn't my IFR 250nm day cross country take care of the
> day dual cross country for the commercial? Maybe I should do the
night
> cross country in a complex aircraft to get both at once.
>

Do you hate to fly so much that you're only willing to make one flight?
If you haven't figured out by now that aviation is not a poor-man's
hobby, then you need to spend more time LISTENING to owners and less
time arguing about how many flights you have to make to prepare for a
checkride.

On 2006-12-29, kevmor > wrote:
> Ok, but then shouldn't my IFR 250nm day cross country take care of the
> day dual cross country for the commercial?

No, those specifically say VFR.

--
Ben Jackson AD7GD
>
http://www.ben.com/

If you have no time in a complex airplane, then one (or both) of the 100nm
VFR dual XC would be good time in the complex. Most places will only rent to
you solo, after you get about 10 hours in (which happens to be the "minimum"
for the Commercial aeronautical experience). I had about 5 hours in an Arrow
and about 5-6 in a BE33 Bonanza. I took the Bonanza for the complex part of
my Commercial checkride. I busted the accuracy landings due to still not
being comfortable in the plane.

Get as much time as you can.

"kevmor" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> Ok, but then shouldn't my IFR 250nm day cross country take care of the
> day dual cross country for the commercial? Maybe I should do the night
> cross country in a complex aircraft to get both at once.
>
> On Dec 28, 5:23 pm, "Steven Barnes" > wrote:
> > I believe the 100nm XCountry for the Private Pilot, is a dual *night*
> > flight. Also, the 100nm is total distance (50 out & 50 back). I didn't
see
> > a distance requirement for Private Dual day XCountry.
> > The Commercial XCountries are:
> > Dual day VFR 100nm straight line (100 out, 100 back).
> > Dual night VFR 100nm straight line (100 out, 100 back).
> > Solo (no one else in the plane) 300 total distance, 3 landing points,
one of
> > which must be 250nm from the starting point.
> >
> > Even if you flew far enough on the Private solo XCountry, it looks like
the
> > Commercial solo XCountry requires another trip:
> > 61.129 (a)(4) 10 hours of solo flight in single engine airplane *on the
> > areas of operation listed in 61.127(b)(1) which includes at least -
> > (i) Big long XCountry
> > (ii) 5 hrs night VFR , 10 landings, blah blah....
> >
> > Anyone correct me if I'm wrong. I'm working on my CFI, & I need to get a
> > handle on all these regs... :-)
> >
> > "kevmor" > wrote in
oglegroups.com...
> >
> > > I'm looking to get my Commercial certificate once I finish my
> > > Instrument rating and am trying to meet as much as the requirements as
> > > possible. I noticed it says in 61.129:
> >
> > > ...
> > > (3) 20 hours of training...includes at least---
> > > ...
> > > (iii) One cross country flight of at least 2 hours, VFR, 100nm...
> > > (iv) Same thing but night
> >
> > > Now for my private training, the requirement was 100nm for the
> > > dual/training flight (and a 150nm solo flight).
> >
> > > Since we were flying a slow plane, and it took 2 hours, would this
dual
> > > cross country fulfill the commercial requirement?
> >
> > > Also, for the 10 hours of dual complex time, can I do this anytime?
> > > (I'd like to use a 150 that I have access to cheaply for most my
> > > commercial training, then do a few hours of complex just before the
> > > checkride to be ready).
>